The Seamus Fox Podcast.
This podcast has been created to share real life experiences from inspiring people in all walks of life, those who have engineered change in their own lives through a shift in thinking and beliefs. I want to share my own journey and have others share theirs so that it can help inspire others to crete the internal changes thats needed to create long lasting life changes.
The Seamus Fox Podcast.
From Small Town Hustles to Hollywood Dreams
What could drive someone to leave a secure job and venture into the uncertain world of film production and digital media? Matthew Toman, the mastermind behind Bankhouse Media and Bankhouse Productions, takes us through his remarkable journey from the small town of Lurgan to the bustling streets of Los Angeles. Fueled by the influence of his entrepreneurial grandfather, Matthew’s early ventures—like washing cars and cutting grass—laid the groundwork for his future successes. Listen as he shares deeply personal anecdotes about overcoming challenges in secondary school and finding his true calling amidst life’s unpredictability.
In our conversation, Matthew candidly reflects on his quest for financial independence and the pivotal decisions that shaped his career. He discusses the emotional and financial hurdles he faced during the recession, drawing lessons from "The Secret" and the crucial role mentorship played in his comeback. We explore Matthew’s transition from a refrigeration engineer to a film producer, delving into how skills from his previous roles unexpectedly contributed to his success. This chapter of his life is a testament to resilience and the power of a positive mindset.
Matthew's journey doesn't stop at professional achievements; we also dive into his personal transformation as he navigates sobriety and life in Los Angeles. Discover how he conquered cultural pressures around drinking, built a strong support network, and embraced a healthier lifestyle. From his experiences in LA's vibrant, fitness-focused culture to the stark contrasts with regions like Northern Ireland, Matthew provides a rich narrative that underscores the importance of surrounding oneself with like-minded, motivated individuals. Whether you're an aspiring entrepreneur or seeking inspiration for personal growth, Matthew's story offers invaluable insights and motivation.
Hey guys, so welcome back to the podcast and conversations that matters. Today's guest is Matthew Tooman. Matthew, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2:Hi Seamus, thank you so much for inviting me on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Looking forward to the conversation. So Matthew and myself got connected probably just a couple of weeks ago and I've been following some of your stuff and looking at your stuff on YouTube. We got connected through a mutual friend in Kia Daily. So I've just been watching your stuff and I thought it'd be great to have you on the podcast. But with every guest that I have, matthew, I kind of want to get a wee bit of a better understanding of who they are. So if you can give the listeners a wee bit of an understanding of, I suppose, give them a wee bit of an understanding of who you are right now and what you do, and then we can go back a bit further.
Speaker 2:So my name is Matthew Toman. I own a digital media agency, bankhouse Media, and a film production company, bankhouse Productions, and I also have an online academy that is called Mindset and Marketing Academy. That just helps people sort of get out of the nine to five grind, put a side hustle on the bit of their business or just upscale, and I've been working pretty much with clients directly and also business coaching quite a bit now since I've been sort of at the other side of the world. You know I'm living out in LA at the moment.
Speaker 1:Fantastic.
Speaker 2:So let's take it right back to the start then. Where did you grow up? What was that like? What was it like as a young master growing up? I grew up in lurgan, county armagh, um, and it was great, it was brilliant. I have no brothers and sisters, it was just me, but we had a very unique sort of setup. It was, um, my dad is has a twin brother and two twins married, two sisters, um, and my mom went back to work and my dad went back to work after having me, obviously, and I got minded with my auntie, louise, and, and my cousins, which are like my siblings, to be honest with you. So I didn't get the full, only child experience. But I grew up in Lurgan and it was great.
Speaker 2:I was okay. I enjoyed school. Primary school it was okay. I detested secondary school. I really, really did not like it. I didn't get on. It didn't work out anyway, the way that we all thought it was going to and yeah, but it was great. I probably got mixed in with the wrong crowds at different times. I started drinking quite young. I'd done all the sort of stuff that you're not meant to do as a teenager, I think, whenever I started sort of failing in school a little bit.
Speaker 1:I turned to different things and it all went a bit crazy from there but got back on the right track and that's the main thing, yeah, but it's funny because I've kind of like a similar background with the school as well too, didn't really get on in school, didn't really like it. Like, if you go back to looking at your childhood, growing up in Lurgan, what were the things that you got inspired by at that time? What were the things that you were interested in that kind of led you into the entrepreneurial path?
Speaker 2:Probably my grandfather, to be honest, my granddad Paddy was like just, he was like an absolute entrepreneur, you know, from a young age. And then, whenever I was younger, I remember going into he had this yard down in Victoria Street and I went into it. One day my dad said, come on down to your granddad's yard. And I walked in and I was like amazed. I was looking around me.
Speaker 2:It was a pet shop, you know, and I was like, oh my god, a pet shop, you know, when you walk in, you smell the pet shop and you, you start seeing all the fish and you're a child. And he said to me do you want to work here on Saturdays? And I said, yeah, I'd love to. So I loved working in the pet shop with him on Saturdays. And then one day I went into the pet shop and there was like all the animals and all the fish and all the tanks and everything was gone and there was just rows of like furniture, you know, and settees, and I said what's going on? And he said, oh, it wasn't working, you know, and I'm now selling secondhand furniture.
Speaker 1:No messing around, just it's done. We're now selling furniture.
Speaker 2:But I mean he had a vegetable van whenever my dad and I was growing up. He we're now selling furniture, but he mainly had a vegetable van whenever my dad and I was growing up. He had business like chopping sticks and selling them, you know. So he always I just sort of learned from him from a very young age. You know, get out and and do work, like I was. Whenever I was with him, whenever I was younger, I've seen him take off his jacket and like sell it to somebody. Do you know a leather jacket that he'd had, that he'd probably just bought like a couple of days previous? So, um, that type of thing. I probably just was learning from him and didn't even realize yeah, 100 percent.
Speaker 1:Um, and what age were you around there, matthew?
Speaker 2:um, I was probably from like 11 upwards, you know, and then by the time I was 13, I had started then getting people to drive their cars into my mom's driveway and washing them. Um, and then like taking my dad's lawnmower and going cutting people, getting all my friends, and be like come on, come on, let's go, let's go cut this grass and let's get a tenner. It was like really good money at the time, you know, taking on a lot harder work then. So it's all I've always had that like I've really, really wanted to get to work, you know.
Speaker 1:Brilliant and what do you think that like? If you could pinpoint it, what do you think that comes from? That? Just that is it. Because you watch your granddad, you watch what was going on. Where do you think that?
Speaker 2:entrepreneurial I can remember my grandfather. Actually, I can remember seeing this vase. Right, it's still in my mom's house. It was like this vase and I said to my granddad at the time, god, I love that the colors of it. And he said, here, have it. You know, take it. It. Can it, it can be yours, you know.
Speaker 2:And at that point it was probably like, if you work, you know, like he had, that was his. Do you know what I mean? I probably had experience. How did you get that? Or do you know that type of thing? So I probably realized it would.
Speaker 2:It probably wasn't entrepreneurial. I didn't think it was entrepreneurial, I probably just wanted stuff like for myself. Um, I think my mom and dad always joke and say, like, from I was younger, it wasn't like bringing me up, it was like managing me, because I was very much stuck in my own mindset and I always have been. I've been really, really stuck in my own sort of determination mindset and I think that it just came from wanting to have like my own control over my own stuff. If I want to get something, I want to be able to buy it and I didn't really like depending on anybody else, you know, and I think that was it.
Speaker 2:And it's funny because my best friend Remo, we were in school, we're both pretty similar. We end up didn't go to grammar school, we stayed on, done fourth year and fifth year and in the school that we were in and our national insurance numbers came pretty much on the both same week and we were both 15 and I said, come on, come on, we'll go get jobs, come on, we'll go up to rutledge recruitment. Um, and we left school that day early. We're only like in fifth year. We hadn't even turned 16 yet.
Speaker 2:I went into rutledge recruitment and the girl julie there actually gave her the wrong date of birth and she's like when can you start? And, um, I said we can, let's start now, like when? And said there's a shift going out to Moray Park tonight at five o'clock. So we both got on the bus and went to Moray Park that night and it was funny because his mom worked in Moray Park and we ended up getting put on her line. She's seen us at the school that morning and then seen us into and on her line that night. It's like what are you doing here? You know?
Speaker 1:but he electrician and got like string of houses that rented out and things. So we always just had that like get up, go to work and didn't really want the academic route. You know, yeah, do you think it was more as well of just kind of being being in control of of your own destiny, being in control of, like, what you actually wanted to create within your life? Because I know for for me, even in my journey, if I look back, like school was never a thing that I was really interested in. I was always like looking at the window dreaming about doing football. I was, school just didn't give me anything that I actually really felt inspired by. There was nothing. I was being like stuck in a box learn this, this is what you need to do, but I wasn't interested. Do you think for you it was like I want to control how I want to live, I want to control, like, my destiny. Let's say, what do you think that thread was?
Speaker 2:oh, absolutely like control. You know I'm, I'm, you know, control freak is that a bad word these days, I don't know. But, um, I definitely would rather have more control over where I'm going and what I'm doing, and I think, whenever it comes to even running a business, now, it's like I like being a leader and I think everybody who works with me enjoys it as well, because they know they're, they feel they're in safe hands, you know, and they're like okay, brilliant, let's move forward. Because I've always kind of had that. You know, I've always wanted to have my own money, have control over it myself. Never, I've never, asked for anything off anyone. You know a different times of bootstrapping a business is difficult and I had a few friends lending me five or ten grand here and there to sort of cash flow me through, and I really appreciate that. But really, on the big scale of it, I've never had to get a loan. I've never had to do anything like that, because I I know that if you go out and I always say to everybody who comes in to me to start working, I'm like, if you're prepared to go out and work, you're never going to go hungry. So take that off. Your all the, all the fears you have around money. Release them now, because if you're prepared to go out and work, it's just about knowing what to go and work on that's going to benefit you the best.
Speaker 2:And I think that I probably had a bit of that instinctively, but whenever I looked around me in in the town, obviously there was no Instagram, facebook or anything back then. So you look at all the flashy cars. You're like who's driving them? You know what did they do? And every single person in Lurgan that was driving a flashy car either worked in the pub industry or the property industry. Right, and my dad said to me from a very young age, if you get given a pub for free, don't take it. You know, and he always said that. He said never get into the hospitality industry, never get into pubs. And I think he had a problem with me maybe being, you know, drinking too much, which turned out to be true anyway, you know, and maybe he's seen that and realized you shouldn't be in a pub.
Speaker 2:But um, so I looked at the property developers and that's how I ended up getting in by my first house so young, because I thought that's that's a route into being able to have that fancy car and have the lifestyle that I had at that time perceived as success.
Speaker 1:It's interesting because did you feel that that was perceived as missing as you were growing up, Matthew?
Speaker 2:Not really. We have a very nice house not really my. We have a very nice house. My mom and dad both worked like nine to fives. But the thing is my dad worked in um, a place called let's, which was like a ytp scheme for people coming out of work. That didn't do well and my dad taught them how to weld, you know.
Speaker 2:But I can remember being like 14 and I said to my dad, why don't you take a unit down at cyto, like this area? And I said take like six of your trainees and start a business selling gates, you know. And he looked at me as if is there something wrong. You know, why are you even saying that to me? And I always remember sitting in my granny's and thinking look at that, look at that house, sir. That first phase is 41,000. The second phase is 47. They've made like X amount of money. Why don't we buy a house? And my dad said, matthew, you're 14. Like, stop annoying me. And I think it wasn't that.
Speaker 2:I never got any. Like I'm an only child so I get spoiled right. Whenever I was younger, if I wanted like a pair of Reebok pumps, I got them. If I wanted a pair of kickers, I got them right, which I was blessed. But at 16, like genuinely 16, matt stopped and my mom and dad said Matthew, go out and work. And I had to go out and work and pay money into the house from that age, like they had taught me from that age, and there was no weeks I was missing it. You know, it started off £20, £25, £30, £40 as it went up and then I realized I'm putting all this money into this house just to buy my own, and that's sort of how that happened. So I think it was maybe a bit being spoiled whenever I was younger and then that then being stopped, and then now it's time for you to go make your own money.
Speaker 1:Brilliant. So what did you feel was the kind of struggles at the start, matthew? What was the first business you created? What were the struggles you found trying to get your business up and running? For anybody else that's kind of maybe on that path now, where they're starting to create a business, they're looking to create a business. What were the struggles or the challenges for you at the very start?
Speaker 2:well, the problem was I chose the wrong industry and I didn't look at the actual return. You know, um, I thought property was the way that I was going to be doing. So I bought my first apartment, um, and then I went on to buy other houses as well and end up losing everything in the recession. But what I happened at that, I was also at that time working as a refrigeration engineer. So whenever I left school I went to train to get a trade. My mom always said go get a trade, you know, and although I stayed in it too long, it was one of the best things I'd done, because refrigeration and air conditioning you can make like a lot of money. So I made money in one job and put it into another one, and I always recommend everybody doing that.
Speaker 2:Don't jump in the deep end and think like you have to go and start a business and you're meant to have all the answers, because you're not. You have to cash flow yourself, and I always was a very bootstrap. I wasn't really like go do a big raise and sort of build a business that way. So whenever I first done that, I hadn't really done the math in my head and realized it was inflated just the equity in houses because of what was happening at the time. So I would have had maybe 100,000 equity in a house and took some money out and bought another one.
Speaker 2:That really wasn't my money. You know it wasn't a business that wasn't a business model. It was sustainable. You know it wasn't a business that wasn't a business model. It was sustainable. You know it was out of my control. We were lucky with the way we got on the stride. So it wasn't really until I opened Bankhouse, like years after. You know, whenever I really had a look, I had went insolvent, I had to hand my houses back to the bank, I lost my job and I found myself on unemployment in Dublin. At that point I think it was ranked like the third most expensive city in Europe. Um, and you know I had went from always having money, always having house, always having access to everything, traveling Australia, doing whatever I wanted, to having zero and getting like 188 euros at the time a week.
Speaker 1:Um, so whenever I went back to sort of so well, I suppose, because that's a big, that's a big, yeah, that's a big mindset shift and it's a big challenge for people to overcome. Like what was that actually like? What was that actually like? Loving with that, dealing with that on your head what was the emotions like at that time?
Speaker 2:so I had just came out of a relationship in like 2010 that was like I'd needed to separate and get away from. It was in Belfast and, um, I had moved to Dublin to sort of put the space between between us and I had read a book called the Secret. It kept getting recommended to me and that was the first time that I had then started to not learn something new. It was tapping into what I had instinctively done as a teenager, like the thoughts that I was having that I can have a house or I can have a car. I can do this. I had instinctively done as a teenager, like the thoughts that I was having that I can have a house or I can have a car. I can do this.
Speaker 2:I had those unlimiting beliefs as a child, but then over the next course of 10 to 12 years, life just got in the way and just took away all those thoughts and made me feel really insecure, had a lot of shame around being able to sign on unemployment, didn't tell anybody, you know because, didn't tell any of my family in the North and didn't tell, like my closest friends that were in Dublin with me, because it was pure shame, you know, and that was it and I had failed. And I had failed massively and because so many people had said to me from a young age oh my God, it's great what you've done, what a high, so it's great you've done this. Or you know, you start to believe it, like you start to feel it, and then you're like I'm, how can I go back now and say, oh yeah, like I remember going back and having to tell my mom and dad, look, I have to get rid of the houses. And my mom was like what? Those people have lived there for 10 years and they've built them up. And I said to her look, would you rather I killed myself? And she said what are you gonna? And I said I'm not.
Speaker 2:But at that time in Dublin it was on the front page of the papers about people gassing themselves in cars, people committing suicide because the Celtic Tiger was so it was such a big fall in the south and people couldn't do it. I've never had a suicidal thought in my life, thankfully, and I feel sorry for anybody who ever goes through that. It's must. It's surely extremely difficult, but I was trying to say that to my mom, saying people are killing themselves over money. I'm going to meet a solicitor tomorrow and I'm going to sign everything over to the banks and that's it done yeah and and she said do it immediately, get it done.
Speaker 2:um, so there was a lot of like these decisions that had to be made at that time and I I credited a lot of it to Guy Steepe G Jones, one of my mentors, you know, who helped me through that process. So, but yeah, it was a big mind shift, going on to unemployment, and I spent like a lot of time on my own at that time, because you think about having to get up and work every morning from like 7.15 and you get home at like 5.45, right? And whereas now I was like awake at 7.15, like looking at the ceiling, getting up at like you know, 11 o'clock and and then just being like what am I meant to do? What am I doing with my life?
Speaker 1:you know, um.
Speaker 2:so there was a lot of oh yeah. So basically I read the Secret in 2010, so I'd already prepared my mindset right up until I had then finally been on unemployment. I'd already been into acting a little bit in a few different bits and pieces around that time, so I was distracted by some. I knew the possibility, I knew what was going to happen in the future at this point because I started to get the belief back. So letting go of everything was really easy because I knew there was a bright future ahead. And then it just was all the stuff, all the uncomfortable stuff standing on unemployment, getting rid of my houses, like having to do deals with all these people and pay so much money back and it was just crazy, but you still at that time had that kind of inner belief that this is just a blip.
Speaker 1:I know that I'm still going to go on and do what I want to do and succeed. That was kind of still there and it came back.
Speaker 2:It definitely came back like I didn't have it at one point. At one point I thought I have no hope here whatsoever. I don't do not know what I'm going to do. I took a job, actually being a host in a restaurant. Somebody said to me matthew, come work for me in my restaurant. It was one of the hardest jobs I've ever done in my life. I like running and like remembering everybody's tables and who was in, and you know it was so difficult and I came. I can remember coming away from that feeling like really, really hopeless, going like what am I going to do?
Speaker 1:you know, what was the biggest lesson, then, that you learned at that time?
Speaker 2:um, the biggest lesson was you know, let it go. Uh, it's not serving me, it's not what I wanted to do, and stop trying to make a you know circle fit into a square, just like I don't want to be a refrigeration engineer, I don't want to have houses, I don't want to have tenants, you know. And then asking myself then what is it I do want? And that's what I ask myself all the time. Now, you know what, what do I want? And I always have to stay super aligned with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's funny, man, because a lot of times when we're in those things, we look at it as a crisis, but then we hindsight we can look back and see it as a blessing. And sometimes those things are like we're going after this because it's what society says, or it's because what we deem is successful, or we think what we need or what we actually want, but it's maybe not actually really aligned with what we truly value. It's maybe not actually really aligned with what's most inspiring for us. Does that resonate? Do you see that?
Speaker 2:oh, absolutely, you know, I was living someone else's version of success back whenever I was trying to like have a, you know, property business and doing all this. That was one of the people that um, that actually, uh, good for, I bought it, I bought a house of him, actually, and he's he's always been an inspiration to me how he runs his business, and even more so now. Um, but I was trying to replicate what he was doing, you know, and we're still like really really good friends, uh, we're actually related, second cousins but um, and so I was living his version of success and what it meant for him, you know, and so I had to really be like what is it I want? What is it I want to do and and start from scratch, you know, and yeah, that was it powerful.
Speaker 1:Okay, so what was the next step? Saying after that, matthew?
Speaker 2:well, you read the secret and start saying you know, what do you want doing all this? And I think that the secret for me left a lot of holes in it. But, um, you know, people had often said to me why don't you get into acting? Have you ever thought this? Have you ever thought about doing anything like that? And you know, as a child growing up, you know you probably want to be a professional footballer, you know, or something like that. I always wanted to be like you know God. I wonder, could you be in that movie? Or could you be a singer or be something like that?
Speaker 2:So whenever I was older, I was like I'm starting from a clean slate. So I joined a film school at the Irish Film Academy in Dublin in 2010. This was on the sort of on there before it really really got crashed for me. So I was very grateful to have Rachel, sir Murphy and all the people in that class and the friends that I've built up and made around that time. And I got into acting and I met a director, jason Figgiggis, and he cast me in a movie in a small part, and then he cast me into um, another movie then, which I had a supporting lead in and he said like we can't finish the movie, we've no budget and it's me and the producer aren't getting on anymore. So and I was like this is my big break, this movie has to be out here. I didn't realize at the time that I wasn't that good of an actor you know, still was thinking that I was and I ended up by accident finished that movie. You know, I ended up like I said what has to be done and it was exactly the same stuff that I'd done in refrigeration and in my houses, and then all the organization and dealing with money and dealing with all that stuff. And I'd learned so many things about budgeting and about taxes and about money going through my insolvency that now I was armed with all this new like knowledge and information and what to do, what, the how to make money, what you have to put aside, what you have to do and all these different things.
Speaker 2:So stepping into film production was like it was so natural. I can't even tell you, like I can't even express how natural it was, because it was creative. I loved being around actors and directors and on set and all the other stuff like that. Everybody was stressed out over. It didn't even faze me like it didn't even, because working as a refrigeration engineer is stressful. Dealing with banks and dealing with house and dealing with tenants who don't pay you all those things are stressful.
Speaker 2:Whenever I get into film and something that other people would have been stressed out about I was like this is a breeze. So I loved it, I loved and I still. I'm out in LA, we're producing a project at the minute. I still am film producing and that was like the progression into me kind of opening my own company, unfortunately that, well, fortunately, that company couldn't afford to take me on. So I was forced with then having the option to what do I do here? Do I go, try to get a job? And, to be honest with you, no one would have hired me. I wasn't qualified. I left school with three C's and four D's and you know I've got dyslexia and no one would have hired me.
Speaker 1:So I had no option but to start my own company, and was that the start of bank house media then?
Speaker 2:well, that was bank house productions. Um, it was a company called bank house productions. I I kept there was um, whenever I was going through the transition and off unemployment. Now I could have left unemployment earlier, I could have got a job somewhere. You know, I could have done something, but I needed to take that time to see what I wanted to do.
Speaker 2:Um, so a company called inner city enterprise, an organization in the south that helps people get off unemployment and start their business they reached out to me and they were like look, you're on the register, um, let's have a chat to see what you can do about this. I had heard about them. They ended up helping me get off, get open up my business and start my business. Um, I went, became a quite a big advocate for them because I'm so grateful for them. I'm now on the board. I sit on the board of inner city enterprise and now we help like thousands and thousands of people get off unemployment or get come out of direct revision or all that stuff and get businesses opened, and so that was a full circle moment to get that open. So that was bank house productions and that opened on the first of august 2014 fantastic, and what was that primarily focused on then, matthew, at that time I went in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, whenever we went in at the time, shane, who worked for inner city enterprise, we had to, like, put in an application form to get off on employment, essentially to get the business with still a bit of support. Um, and I said, look, I want to do movies, I want to be out in la, I want to be working with ls hollywood actors, I want to be doing all this stuff. He's like okay, matthew, let's chill out a bit, let's make it believable, you know. And um, and I said, okay, what do you? Will you fill that then? What do you want me to say? And he said, well, what about like the local restaurant videos or the look? And I said, okay, no worries. So I filled it out and done all the paperwork that I had to do, you know, to get sort of past that part, but Bankhouse Media, we still do the local restaurant videos to this day and we we ended up doing a documentary. It was funny whenever Shane came to Street Leagues it was Colin Farrell was in it and he said I can't believe you actually done it, matthew. You end up working with like an A-list Hollywood actor and I was like, look, I've worked with loads of people at this point, but I was like, yeah, like that was the goal and that's really what we worked towards, and that really what we work towards and that's what we've done so predominantly at that time. We've done tv commercials, video production, um, movies, documentaries, just just anything that involved like a camera. And this is before. Like everybody had this before, even facebook live or anything like that so people were paying, investing in a lot of professional videos at the time and we didn't have this setup. I didn't. I do everything now from my phone, um, but back then we still do a lot of video. Like my company today is shooting in Cork, you know, for three days. So we're shooting all over Ireland, um, and I'm out in LA working on a, on a film, but Bankhouse Productions grew doing all of those things.
Speaker 2:And again in 2018, I found myself in another unfortunate situation. Um, I'd just done a movie called Dive and we'd done it. From turning on cameras to releasing in cinemas nationwide was 66 days. It hasn't actually even been done before. I don't believe we had two week run in cinemas. We ended up winning best feature at the Indie Film Festival. It's now on Amazon Prime and distributed, but because it was so insanely rushed time.
Speaker 2:The accountant didn't file our tax incentive and we didn't get any of the money back that we were meant to get for it. And I find myself back in like 60 grand debt. Like literally overnight we just got the devastating news You're not gonna get the money, and not only the money that I had put into it. But we were me and the other producer friend was 60 grand in debt like people looking invoices that day and I was like, oh my god, I cannot believe I'm back here. You know, I just got a new house, um, in Sandy Mount. I just bought a new jeep but got the office in Temple Bar like everything was moving the right direction.
Speaker 2:I was back on my feet again and then I was just like, oh my god. So I thought about getting rid of the house, getting rid of the car, all these things. And I was sitting at my breakfast bar and I just said you know, I've got to stop focusing on trying to save money and start focusing on start making it. And in that moment I just ended up writing down all the different lists of stuff that I could deliver and how I could help other people with the knowledge that I have Just sat on my breakfast bar on my own, rang my mentor, anil Sharmani.
Speaker 2:He ended up I'm in london on friday, can we meet up? We met up on that friday and went through everything and on the way home, someone just serendipity, life law of attraction, whatever you want to call it. One of my video clients rang me and said matthew, do you do social media? And that was the business we had created with my mentor was bankhouse media. And I said I do, um, I just started. And she said okay, perfect, so I ended up then starting. That's bankhouse media was born, weirdly, on the first of august 2018, four years directly after bankhouse production was formed fantastic man.
Speaker 1:It's always good to see that when you're getting challenged a lot of the things when you get challenged, when you get squeezed, when you get forced in there, sometimes that's when something great comes out. And most absolutely not all, not everybody, will look at it that way.
Speaker 1:No, it does take a different type of mindset. It does take a certain type of person to be able to look at a challenge and see right, okay, where's the blessing in this, where's the benefit? How does this actually serve me? How can I grow from this? Because most people will go in that situation and go, ah, that's me done, and they'll focus on the problem and they'll give all the energy to the problem and then, all of a sudden, they can't get themselves out of that hole where you're able to like, go, okay, I know. The problem is what's the solution, what they need to do? How do you take action, how do you move forward? Which is fantastic, it was.
Speaker 2:It was one of the most stressful times in business that I've had and at that that point, like a 60 grand, you know, own 60 grand out. I was like, oh my God, how am I going to get this, cause you know there's a lot of promo videos but the one time actually yeah, this time whenever I sort of got my head buried in the sand the first time around, whenever I lost everything and, you know, was trying to build business and everything I turned to drink a lot. You know, at this time I was sober and I was sober probably for about two years. So I had a much clearer head and I was, and I was surrounded by people like mentors that I could turn to and say, hey, this is what's going on. Um, and they could. They could help me steady the ship and I could do a lot of it myself.
Speaker 2:I was actually walking into the office and I saw these two guys in Dublin like graffiti and I was like what are you up to? And they were like just graffiti and they were doing a commission for somebody and I said, could you come around to my office? They came around and like literally spray painted bank house media on the wall full size. It was in Temple Bar. Our office was at the top of the rock and roll museum, an amazing creative building. I got so much done in there really. It's with patty dunning. I rented it off him and the guys came into the office and bank guys made him spray painted on as that guys were digital media agency and that was that class.
Speaker 1:You touched on it there, matthew um, and I've seen some of your stuff on youtube as well too, but you're being sober.
Speaker 2:You're eight years sober now yeah, yeah, eight years in october, so about seven and a well, more than seven and a half, but coming up eight, yeah yeah, fantastic man.
Speaker 1:Um, and we spoke already. I was telling you about me being two years sober and congratulations yeah, and the changes that I've kind of recognized and seen within that as well too. Do you want to touch a wee bit on that, matthew like? What was it um?
Speaker 2:I am so open about that. Yeah, like I mean I'm so open about, like my sprattie. You know I didn't go to AA but if I did have to I would. Um, I had a friend at the time, shane Lennon, and he had been, I think, for 10 or 12 years, so we're, even though he's young Shane's younger than me but he stopped when he was 22. He's from Limerick and he had a. He had a crazy start to life and turned it around massively and very successful now, um, but he, he kind of helped me.
Speaker 2:At one point I had actually contacted Anolon just to go through, like what the process was for somebody supporting someone on alcohol. So I understood that they were saying like it's all up to them. They have to leave it to them if they want to drink the drink, all these things. So whenever I did stop drinking, I was like it has to be up to me. Do you know what I mean? And I had my first drink when I was 13. I drank all the way through my teens. I loved it. I love drinking alcohol. I miss it, you know, at times, um, but I know that I can't go back there.
Speaker 2:You know I knew by time I was about 27, 28. I was like, okay, I have a problem with this and I I can't. I can't really stop. So I just out After my 30th birthday I was like, okay, I've got a serious problem, I need to resolve this at some point. And then by the time I just had turned 34, I had ended up was actually unwell. I ended up, I had diverticulitis, hi hernia, three of my liver blows were off um high cholesterol, like really bad bloating and swelling, and the doctors were very concerned about me at the time. I end up getting loads of cameras everywhere down my stomach, up the other way, like dreads, um liver scans, like so many things checked out and it turned out that I, my, I looked okay from the outside, but on the inside it wasn't the same story and that was the final catalyst.
Speaker 2:I was like, okay, no worries. And you know, I said to a doctor that day, my doctor Roz. I'll never forget her. She was amazing, she. I said to her look, I'm never. She said, look, stop drinking this drink and this drink and this drink and just drink that. And I said I'm never going to drink again.
Speaker 2:Five or six weeks later, whenever I end up back in with her, I was like skin and bone gray, like so tiny, and I said I haven't drank. And she's like Matthew, if I really thought you weren't going to drink, I would have put you on medication, you know, to come out Like what you done was really dangerous. Actually, um, because I lived in Tampa, I lived in Dublin. Do you know what I mean? I walked, worked in Temple bar.
Speaker 2:Camden street is a long walk when you're drinking. So I, you know I did stop that day and it was very difficult, you know, because you've your whole friend group. Changes life changes like I done a lot of business at the time in the pub. I was in the pub and I was talking to somebody and before you know it, I would have had somebody in the next day like film in a promo video for them or film in their club videos. So everything changed, everything changed and I sort of started to realize who am I. You know who am I? I don't even know who I am because I'd been so used to that character that was life and soul of the party, never going home, always up and at it, always organizing.
Speaker 2:So I had to completely and utterly relearn who who I was and what I liked and what I wanted to do and you know it was a tough process, sad at times, because you know I don't see some of the people that I hung out with at that time. As I said, I missed drinking as well, but you know I wouldn't change it for the world and I wouldn't go back, not even I have no concerns about. Actually, one time I had a concern about drinking and that's the video that you watched. Maybe in four years, sober, that was the first time that I really put it out publicly and and I'd done that to hold myself accountable because I was in greece and nearly actually had a drink it was like yeah, yeah and it's.
Speaker 1:It's crazy because, especially in ireland and if you're working in dublin, and it's alcohol so ingrained in our culture and it's done for shelter and it's done for commiserating, it's done for it's just part of everything and they try and break that mold can't be tough. 2019, I went over for a year and then went back on it and between 2000 and the last few years, 2022, I'm back off it again. Those two years in my head I was every weekend right I said I'm going to stop, I'm going to stop, but I couldn't. It was the same thing, was that pattern? It was so hard to break.
Speaker 1:I actually did a plant medicine journey um two years ago when I felt that that was a catalyst to help me actually shift and change as well too. But it can be a massive challenge and it's something that is so rife in our culture and, like, as you said, putting that video up can sometimes be fearful because you're putting it out there. But I share my ends over the last few years and the amount of messages that I get from people reaching out here in the same wavelength who want to stop but feel that they can't. There's fear there.
Speaker 2:They feel yeah, yeah, they're afraid, they actually just take that step because it's going to impact their life, their friends group, in so many ways oh look, I mean one of my friends started getting up at half four in the morning, right, because that was this thing you need to start getting up at half four in the morning. He was divorced from his wife within about three years because she was like this isn't what I signed up to. So people have fear around, like, what if I do separate? Like, or what if I do stop drinking? What does that mean for my wife? What does that mean for my social life? What does that mean for my engagement with you know all these different things. There's so much around it that it it's like such a big thing for so many people. You know, and I mean I'm like you have had hundreds, I've had probably thousands of messages at this point, especially through that YouTube video. I had a guy reach out to me from Texas at one point and, like we chatted and voicemail back and forth and became friends, and then I was actually out in Austin working on a product film and a movie and we ended up meeting up, you know, so I've I've met like people through the years, through those videos as well, that are in the same boat.
Speaker 2:Um, that, do see that, look, I think AA is one of the best things that was ever created, right? I think it saved lives, it saved families, it saved businesses. It is like genuinely one of the best things ever created. But I do think there needs to be something else just about that sort of identifies your relationship with alcohol. There needs to be like a step into it before you maybe even stop it. You know where people then can say, can say look, what is my relationship like with alcohol, how, how does it affect my?
Speaker 2:I always had these five things. It affects my health, my fitnesses, my finances, my friendships and you know my, my business relationships are my family and my business relationships. Those five things for me were like shot at the time. You know they were gone, um, and I do think if you've got two or three of them out of whack, you should have a look at it, you know, because alcohol doesn't affect a lot of people, doesn't hold people back, it doesn't distract them and they love it and they've got a healthy relationship and they, they get all their work done, they get their business done and but for all, for I think, more than than they would care to admit, there is there's another, there's another path to it and I also think it's a gateway into, like other addictions sex drugs, you know, partying, gambling, you know unhealthy relationships just with abuse and things like that. You know, it's almost like a gateway into so many other things.
Speaker 2:Um, and I had a guy contact me actually last week. I think he only rang me because I was the only one up in the in the time zone. I was awake and he said, like this, what's going on? And he, like you know, I knew straight away, but he did come to terms with it that it was all alcohol related. Um, for the situation that he'd got himself into and it never, ever would have happened outside that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, it never would have happened outside that in a million years if I look at any of the shit that I got on um growing up and the stupid stuff that I got caught up on, it was never because I was sober, it was always because I was drunk, oh my God.
Speaker 2:And the problem is with me. Whenever I started, I was a flipping instigator, you know. That was the thing.
Speaker 1:So what's the biggest like shift in that you've seen, because for me, I noticed it massively in my business and my productivity?
Speaker 2:What was the biggest benefit and shift that you got for yourself, matthew, getting sober Like I slept so much better. This is a very weird one, but it took about a year, about a year and a half. But I was standing one day just on my feet, you know, and I just I actually felt my feet on the ground. I felt my heel and my toe on the ground and I had never actually felt that as an adult and I was like what the hell is going on? And it was for the first time that I felt extremely grounded, planted in one place. Now there are so many benefits to business.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't be living out in LA right now, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing, I wouldn't have done the project I've done work. I wouldn't even have the business partners or the staff because no one could have put up with me. Whenever, no one could have put up with me, you know, whenever I drank, I couldn't keep a relationship in any form. Um, so, like the fact that I have been had the opportunity to like, regain trust with people, show them that like I know I fucked up here, but like I'm, I'm good here and like I'm back. So I had the opportunity to do that and then prove to people that not only you know is it, is it good now, but it's way, way better and there's so much more out there and there's so much more that you can achieve and go after.
Speaker 2:And now my whole thing is like I I think even as a child always just helped people.
Speaker 2:I can remember I was just like using the polish and cleaning the wind mirrors for me, auntie, and things like that. And now I do it on such a bigger scale, like with people, with businesses, business mentor and mindset, alcohol, addiction, many different things. I wouldn't be able to do any of that if I hadn't have, like, got myself into gear. So the main thing for me is the understanding of the ripple effect that it causes and the car, how I can actually possibly affect. You know, if I have 100 clients in bank house and they have 100 customers each, you know they have people in their life like that's the ripple effect is crazy, you know, and I'm really, I'm really really aware of that now and I feel like I've got a much greater responsibility on me than just me saying no, I don't want to have a hangover yeah, and I think it just does has a massive impact in terms of how you actually show up the level of confidence that you have within yourself.
Speaker 1:I always had this like intuitive thing with them maybe said that if you want to go to the next level, if you want to get there where you need to be, this can't be part of it. It was always like this nagging thing, but it was just afraid they can actually let it go. And the last years, the productivity and how I've stepped up and what I'm doing and I've had a business for the last 18 years, but how I am in the last two years um has been completely different since I stopped drinking all together yeah, oh no, like I mean that that's brilliant, that's great to hear.
Speaker 2:And what is your biggest thing then? What's the biggest thing that you've sort of had to that you had the biggest win for you.
Speaker 1:The biggest one has been, I think, energy for one, productivity for two, and then, I think, confidence, like even though I had my business and I was always showing up, the way I show up and how I show up, and that inner confidence within myself has completely shifted and changed, where, as a lot of the times I think I wore a mask when I was trying to put on a persona, a lot of the times where I feel a lot more authentic within myself and I have that inner confidence within myself that I think stopping alcohol has gave me definitely god, that's brilliant.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I feel the same. I do feel the same. I see photographs of myself about 20, at 29, 30, my 30th birthday and I'm like I feel like I look better now than I did back then. Do you know what I mean? It's like, it's so weird. Just like getting a good night's sleep. I love it, you know, but it's not for everybody. Like going sober, do what's right for you, just make sure you've got a healthy relationship with alcohol. You know the people who work for me. Like I was in London, for we opened an office in London. I was over for three weeks. Everybody there drinks, you know, and we were out for dinners and drinking and partying and I was doing the zeros, you know, on zero beers, and they all get up the next day. We're in work, in the gym, moving along, and I would love to be like that. You know, don't get me wrong Like I would if. If life was like that, I would absolutely love it, you know, but for me it's just it. It isn't like that. You know a hundred percent.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you're on LA at the minute. There, matthew, in doing work and in business, compared to back here.
Speaker 2:I think that there's more people that well, california is like a melting pot of all different cultures and people do come here with a mindset. I think there's a couple of things about LA you have to be working, you know, to afford to live here and you have to have an income, because the drop off from like having a house to live in on the streets it's not that much, not that great. To be honest, you know there's a, there's a lot of homeless here, um, and they all come here because it's quite warm. But mindset wise, like positivity, healthy eating in the gym, yoga, fitness there seems to be a lot more people doing that here than at home. I accrued a lot of it to just the weather, um, but also I, people here. You are aware of the opportunity that you can have. There's a lot of it to just the weather, but also people here. You are aware of the opportunity that you can have. There's a lot of opportunity. There's a lot of opportunity for business, a lot of opportunity for, you know, relationships, for mindset, for people actually moving forward all collectively together.
Speaker 2:You know, in Northern, like Ireland, all in total, UK, europe, parts of all over. I'm not going to say one single part, because they all have like greatness within them and they all have a massive part of like negativity. And I don't see as many people here like just on day-to-day friends and things that have access to drugs as much. I find that in ireland and in the uk and you know, and through europe, there's just so much drugs, you know, and people are taking them and I think it's like holding them back.
Speaker 2:I think they're addicted to it. I think it's like going for a cigarette. You know whether back in the day I would be going for like taking drugs, and I don't see that as much here. I see it massively in homeless people on crack and stuff, but I don't see it in the dead and dead life of socializing and things. I don't think they're able to, because you have to keep working, you have to keep motivated, because you know to afford to live somewhere, you have to be on it, whereas maybe at home people can get by on less and maybe I don't know, I think I'm not sure it's hard it's kind of like a low run of standards.
Speaker 1:They're able, as you said, like maybe the standard there's a bit higher for themselves, that they have to keep on that level.
Speaker 2:Um I can't.
Speaker 2:I can't go out and do a load of gear and drink and then go and stay in my mask because of no house yeah right, whereas, like at home, there's all like families that people can move into and then they can sort of like it can get away with them, just sort of flying under the radar and spending all their money in areas where they shouldn't be. Whereas here, you know, to have a car, to have a house, to go to the gym, to have food, you have to be on it, you know, and that's what I find. So a lot more people that I surround myself are on it, you know. So they're in the same mindset. Because of that, you know, I was out yesterday for one of my friends for dinner and she said Matthew, it's this thing I do every Wednesday night.
Speaker 2:I sign up to an app and you get on that Wednesday morning, you get told what restaurant to go to and you get sat at a table and you meet all these different people. It's not dating, it's like business. So I signed up and I'm going to go on Wednesday night, you, you know, just to see what it's like. Um, you're meeting like-minded people. Um, like-minded people meet like-minded people. Do you know what I mean? And here everybody has to be out working and hustling to survive, essentially, or to live a good life. So I like being around, that sort of mentality, that sort of energy that, hey, I must introduce you to this person. Because of that, if I'm around like-minded people that are haven't got the same, like they don't think it's possible, then that's going to. Everybody around is going to not think it's possible, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%. Environment's massive James Clear I think, has a quote that says environment is an invisible hand that shapes human behavior.
Speaker 2:Okay, I believe that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%. And if you're in the right environment, then again you're going to start to conform to their thoughts, their habits, their behaviors and you're going to start to set goals that are in line with their standards. And the same is again if you're in a negative environment there's going to be something.
Speaker 2:I actually would say that that is it, that's, that's the, that's the difference, it's the environment. And you know how do people then get out of the, how to pull themselves out of their, their surroundings, and and battle through to be like one like myself. You know, I've made major sacrifice by giving up alcohol, by cutting ties with like people in my life that I loved, actually like loved, and never thought that we wouldn't be in each other's lives and the fact that we're not lying. It's crazy to even think that. But at the end of the day, you know, you have, you know I always say there's mourning and growth. You know, and as you sort, as I sort of grew and as I started to grow as a person and business and have more responsibility and be moving in a different direction, I had to mourn a lot of situations. People like circumstances and they had no option. Because if you were hanging on to those situations then you're never going to be able to achieve what you want to do yourself.
Speaker 1:You know and you can't, and that's true because you can't have growth without some form of death. There's no animalism without cannibalism. You have both, and sometimes that's nearly the death of the old self. It has to go away and it has to actually fade in order for you to grow. And I think just what you touched on there, matthew, is really important, because they give up those things they give up alcohol, they give up those. You have to have a vision for yourself. You have to have something that's bigger, pulling you towards who you want to be, rather than going back into those old patterns and habits that are technically not going to serve that version. Would you agree?
Speaker 2:oh, absolutely look. I mean, if you don't know where you're going, like everything with me is like gold setting. I done a movie a couple of years so after I, whenever I read, whenever I had read, the secret was like I wish I had wrote this. This is like where and I think everybody thought that you know they get into it. They were like this is like how I felt whenever I was younger and with my mentor, steve G Jones, I was like he was helping me through it and I'd done everything that he said I really did because he was very successful. I looked up to him and I was like, okay, well, I will.
Speaker 2:I ended up going back and doing a movie, the Evolution of Success and it was a movie with Jack Canfield, joe Vitale and Bob Doyle who were in the Secret Three of the guys who were in the Secret, along with a host of other people that were like in the mindset area. And you know jack canfield said a comment in that I filmed with him. He wrote chicken soup for the soul and he's the highest selling non-fiction author in the world. The only person above him is jackie rowling, and she's actually fiction. So he's in the curriculum in america and he's one of the most successful people I know. I absolutely love him, um, and he look, if you don't set goals, matthew, you're getting used by people who do have goals.
Speaker 2:And that just landed with me that day and never left me. You know, yes, I always had goals, but then there was an extra more importance of it. I'm like, okay, and, as I said to you whenever I was younger, I was building somebody else's life of success, living someone else's life, you know. So I went through we create the evolution of success, and it's like a 12 step process it's actually 13, but we didn't want to put 13 in there and step number zero is redefining success, and it goes through a whole series of things in that movie and now we've just written a book for it and it's it's all just about having that clear roadmap for yourself and using. All these tools are available to everybody in business and mindset. And, yeah, I think, have you got a lag there? Have I got a lag?
Speaker 1:yeah, I can't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I kind of broke up a wee bit, we're back but, just a few words missing there, but we've got the crux of it yeah, well, basically so you know, having goals and knowing exactly where you're going, it's the only way to sort of get out of where you're at. You know and what I always say to people whenever they're they're at their lowest point dream as big as you possibly can. You know, I did at one point. At one point it didn't look like I would have the businesses or the lifestyle that I have at all. Now you know, I travel. I've traveled like full time since 2019. I've lived remotely but even before COVID was a thing, I had put the offices remote. We still had the office in Dublin for a year, but majority of our work was remote and I've traveled all over the place.
Speaker 2:I'm just back from Japan Like I travel nonstop now. I'm just back from Japan, like I've traveled nonstop. Now I'm actually kind of getting sick of that. Probably next year I'll settle, maybe for two years or so or see how it goes. But I, you know, whenever I worked as a refrigeration engineer, the only thing that I had whenever I was younger, I wanted to travel and I wanted to have financial freedom. There were the two goals that I wanted and whenever I was had houses in Lurgan and County Armand like had a refrigeration engineer. I'm like how am I going to do this? How is this? This isn't possible to fast forward. You know a few years and it is possible you know, and it is not what I currently have.
Speaker 2:So I think let your just just dream as wild as you possibly can and then then you know it's not to say it all just works out and lands on your plate because you've got to put in a lot of work, you've got to have strategy, you've got to understand. I have the Mindset and Marketing Academy and the Mindset and Marketing Podcast and I think if you get your mindset in place and you understand and learn marketing on how to sell, how to build a product, how to sell somebody else's product, whatever it may be, if you learn those two skills you're, you can have anything you want you know, and marketing used to be seen as like a sleazy word, where it's like people think they're getting phone calls or stuff through their letterbox.
Speaker 2:If you're on a dating site, you're a marketer, you know. If you're, if you've got a cv that you're putting yourself in for a job, you're a marketer, you know. Whatever you're, whatever you're doing it every day, you're better off like learning the skills and understanding them a bit more, so you have more control over it. So then you can then say, okay, well, if I do this, then I get that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a hundred percent. Okay, so tell us a wee bit more, then, about mindset marketing and what you actually do if people are undressed and reaching out to you, matthew, and looking for your help yeah, I have, like just matthew toman page on instagram and then there's mindset and marketing account as well.
Speaker 2:Um, we, I run like mentorship programs, uh, one-on-one. But the difference sort of that I have seen that I think is needed is it's brilliant having your mindset in place and understanding where you want to go, but with bank house media, which we've got partnered onto it, we help so many people build the actual business themselves and actually bring it to market to make money. Because for me, whenever I was learning all the mindset stuff, I was like, okay, I've got all this information, but what do I do now? Like, and then I had to go and learn it all myself and it took way way longer. Whereas now, if you're working with me as one of my mentees or somebody who's working alongside me or a colleague or whatever you want to call it, it's all tool-based, it's all like here's the assets, here's the e-book, here's the training course to go and sell, here's like your business built, here's your booking system built. I just think that really what you should be doing now whenever you're working with people is, yes, their mindset into place, but not leaving them hanging.
Speaker 2:Um, I just done another movie that's coming out at the minute. It's called the overnight entrepreneur. Everybody knows alex hermosi at the minute. Um, he's one of the best marketers out there. I filmed with him in las vegas. He's in it, along with a whole host of other people as well, and it's again. It's about turning, like the skill set and the knowledge you already have into a business and selling it and keeping it very simple.
Speaker 1:It's not rocket science, you know I think that's the stumbling block, as you. You touched on it's um, and that definitely comes down to the mindset component, which is shifting your mindset and having that belief to actually just go out and sell it because you could have all the other rules. But then if you don't have that belief within yourself or you don't have that vision pulling you forward, then you're not really going to implement it anyway and that's it.
Speaker 2:And it is about like also having just a suite of products that you can sell somebody. Do you know what I mean? Like create a product, like we have things that to enter into our business that are free the evolution of success and the overnight entrepreneur are free 47 products. Then you've got like websites and things like that, right up to we have like turn your book into a movie or turn your online training into a movie and starts 250 000. So it ranges from you and at one point I was on unemployment and didn't have enough money for rent like it's. It's. It's not about where you're at right now, it's about where you can potentially go to 100. You know, and and it's. I think that's where a lot of and no matter where you're at, I still feel like I want to grow. You know we're going to have conversations, I'm sure, outside this, where I'm like you know, I'm constantly looking to say, okay, let's what, what else can be done?
Speaker 1:you know 100 and I think it's as you said. It's using those challenges, using those things that you've been through, not looking at them as failure, it's only feedback, using them all as ways they actually get you to where you want to be. As my mentor says, everything's on the way, it's not on the way. Perspective is to look at all those things and go right, I'll learn that, I'll learn that, I'll learn that and that's served me to be where I am right now and it's going to serve me to where I'm going in the future, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah, 100%. I agree with you fully there.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, Matthew, if people are looking to reach out to you, where is the easiest way they find you?
Speaker 2:On Instagram, matthew Toman, and that's it. I've got like there's actually two. There's a mindset and marketing one and then there's just my personal one. But my personal one, you know, reach me on there, I'm sure, like there's so many different into google as well. We've got a podcast. The mindset marketing academy podcast comes out every friday and it's just me with my co-host, sean who kirkpatrick, who runs bankhouse media, um, and we just talk about different things around business, about email marketing, loads of different tips and tricks around that. So we've got that podcast as well. And yeah, if you hunt, probably online, you probably my phone number's probably somewhere people can reach me any way they want, you know yeah, I think fantastic, man.
Speaker 1:I actually really enjoyed this conversation and a wee bit of a deep dive into your journey and there's a lot of nuggets in there for any entrepreneurs listening about the mindset. Ultimately, that's kind of needed to get to where you want to be. It's looking at all those different things, challenges that you go through, and knowing as well too that you're going to go through those challenges, not to have the perspective that it's just going to be all roses. If you want to create a business, you have to be prepared for the pleasures and the pains on the journey yeah, and the another quote that this one said before ago.
Speaker 2:It's like things don't happen to you that happen for you yeah and that that is something that you just got to remember every time you're going through a bit of a dark time, troubled financially, money whatever it is, it's not happening to you, it's happening for you yeah, fantastic, matthew, thanks very much.
Speaker 1:Man speak soon thanks.