As Seamus Fox and I clink glasses filled with sparkling water, we celebrate a collective 11 years and 600 days of choosing a life sans alcohol. We're pulling back the curtain on the sober lifestyle, challenging the cultural cocktail of expectations that insists life's milestones require a toast with something stronger than soda. With the clarity that comes from our alcohol-free existence, we share the profound shifts in our lives, from the freedom of no longer planning our days around drinks to the unexpected joys of a night out in Dublin where sobriety proved to be the VIP pass to an unforgettable experience.
Join us on this heart-to-heart where we unravel the tangled web of drinking culture, replacing myths with our lived truths. You'll hear how sobriety isn't just about saying no to a pint; it's about saying yes to mental clarity, better sleep, and relationships built on authentic connections. Seamus, a beacon of wisdom on human behavior, illuminates the path beyond the bottle, shedding light on how the decision to abstain can be the keystone to rebuilding one's life around true values and aspirations.
For anyone curious about the sober side of the street or in search of camaraderie in their own journey, this episode is a testament to the power of community support. We discuss the pillars that have kept us steadfast – from plant medicine journeys and capturing the energy of positive environments to the raw, honest exchanges in AA meetings. And if your curiosity is piqued, Seamus is ready to share even more insights at his upcoming event, Momentum, a gathering poised to catalyze personal breakthroughs. So, settle in with your favorite non-alcoholic brew and let's toast to the many hues of sobriety – an adventure that's just beginning.
As Seamus Fox and I clink glasses filled with sparkling water, we celebrate a collective 11 years and 600 days of choosing a life sans alcohol. We're pulling back the curtain on the sober lifestyle, challenging the cultural cocktail of expectations that insists life's milestones require a toast with something stronger than soda. With the clarity that comes from our alcohol-free existence, we share the profound shifts in our lives, from the freedom of no longer planning our days around drinks to the unexpected joys of a night out in Dublin where sobriety proved to be the VIP pass to an unforgettable experience.
Join us on this heart-to-heart where we unravel the tangled web of drinking culture, replacing myths with our lived truths. You'll hear how sobriety isn't just about saying no to a pint; it's about saying yes to mental clarity, better sleep, and relationships built on authentic connections. Seamus, a beacon of wisdom on human behavior, illuminates the path beyond the bottle, shedding light on how the decision to abstain can be the keystone to rebuilding one's life around true values and aspirations.
For anyone curious about the sober side of the street or in search of camaraderie in their own journey, this episode is a testament to the power of community support. We discuss the pillars that have kept us steadfast – from plant medicine journeys and capturing the energy of positive environments to the raw, honest exchanges in AA meetings. And if your curiosity is piqued, Seamus is ready to share even more insights at his upcoming event, Momentum, a gathering poised to catalyze personal breakthroughs. So, settle in with your favorite non-alcoholic brew and let's toast to the many hues of sobriety – an adventure that's just beginning.
Hey guys. So in this episode that I'm sharing this was a podcast that I was on recently with Colm Dillon, who has the Sober Mess podcast, and he invited me on to speak about my sober journey, which has been over 600 days now up until this point. So on the podcast we talked about a lot of different things. We talked about some of the background and our culture around alcohol, the need for alcohol. We talked about his personal struggles and him going off alcohol and he's been sober for the last 11 years. We talked about my journey, etc. And we talked about the shifts and the energy and the shift in the mindset and the environment and a lot of the things that we have both done within our own lives to be able to, I suppose, live a life without alcohol and what that actually means. So in this episode I am sharing the guest appearance on Colm Doolin's the Sober Mess podcast, so enjoy.
Speaker 2:Hello friends, how are you? My name is Colm and this is the Sober Mess Podcast, and you're very welcome. Today I'm very, very delighted and happy and chuffed to have my very good friend, seamus Fox, on the podcast. Seamus is a man, a dirty man. He's a coach, a mentor and a human behaviour expert and he knows everything fitness, everything, wellness and he's also coming up on nearly 18 months of sobriety. So I couldn't be prouder of this man and he's just one of my biggest inspirations that I see. I see him getting in the sea, getting in the ice baths, just doing all this great stuff on Instagram, and he just inspires me. So, so, so much. So I'm just really happy to have him on the podcast. So, seamus, how are you, my man?
Speaker 1:Colin, thank you very much for having me on the podcast again, really excited and looking forward to the chat and again mutual on that, the inspiration to share. So you're inspiring me as well too, in your journey and seeing you do what you do is a source of inspiration. I know that when I was looking to kick alcohol and drink um to the curb again, looking at people like yourself and other people who were further on in that journey was always a source of sometimes a source of um agony because you wanted to be there and on that journey, but also a source of inspiration because you wanted it. It was a nudge that you needed to start again. So happy to be here and looking forward to the conversation ah, lovely man, and yeah, the second time on the podcast.
Speaker 2:Uh, it's round two, the sequel, the sequel. I love it, man, and 100 percent, that's what I mean. Like when we're on that, when we're on that sober journey and I remember someone saying this to me you know, when there's friends or family out there and they're still at it, you know they're still on that kind of path of alcoholism or addiction, whatever journey they're on. Like I was always told the best advice you can ever give anyone is your own example. You know, when you just walk this path and people will see the, the change in you or the energy coming off you, or the lifestyle you're living on this sober journey, and that itself is the loudest message we can give anyone. And I'm sure the amount of people now that see you on this.
Speaker 2:Like the minute you came on this, on this zoom, I'd seen the change in the Seamus and I was like, wow, you know this thing is working for you. You know what I mean and if I was a friend that was kind of having my struggles with drinking, I was just kind of holding me back and I seen the changes having in you. I would say, well, I want a bit of that Like this thing. This thing works. That sobriety thing must be doing good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1:I see the change in myself. Do you know what I mean when I look back at myself, even 18 months ago? Mentally, more than physically, yes, the changes are clear to see, but mentally and I would be and have been, somebody that's always looked after myself um, it was pretty, pretty strong-minded. I've been doing what I'm doing and coach people for almost 20 years, but I always noticed that when I allowed myself to go too far, or when I drank, or when I went on a binge at the weekend, etc. The thoughts and the things that came up in my head were something that you just don't experience when you're sober. And I could see those patterns and I could see what it was doing to me. I could see what it was doing to me confidence and the outlook that I had and I could see how negative it was. And I suppose that's always been an issue for me. To be totally honest, it's probably been an issue for me. Alcohol, um, from day that, I suppose most of the trouble and the things that I got into years ago when I was younger, running around, growing up, they never happened sober. So, yeah, the shift and the change happens when you, when you get yourself.
Speaker 1:I think for me and maybe you can relate this as well to colin I think for me, like it usually starts after a good like 60, 90 days or more, when you really start to feel that shift.
Speaker 1:And I remember being off it for I was off it for 12 months at one time, just before lockdown, and then I ended up back on it again.
Speaker 1:Three lockdowns and then seven months back on it again and then every time that I went back on it I wanted to get myself back to that 90 days, four months, that feeling of what that actually feels. And I think, for people that are listening to this blog or maybe thinking about stopping, I think once you give yourself that time that the days are more and you actually feel what that's like, you don't want to lose that and go and buy the drink again and, feeling what that's like again, you just want to get back to how that actually felt at that 90 days, because the clarity that you have, the balance that you have, the energy that you have, the feeling of contentment that you have, it's just completely different than when you have a drink, even if it's only one drink a week, or having a couple of drinks at the weekend me. It just lowered my energy, lowered my confidence and affected my outlook um, and it had to go, basically, yeah, I can identify so much with that.
Speaker 2:And yeah, it is that thing, man, like when you give it up and I think I think I stayed off it when I first gave up alcohol like I stayed off it for about three or four months and like that I found all the uh, all this. I got my energy back, I got my confidence back. I just I started to notice nature. You know just, it was like I just put on a new pair of glasses and I could see reality for what it was and it was like that thing of going, wow, this is great. Like you know, this is. I'm feeling really good. But I forgot, like, what I wasn't doing. I wasn't kind of incorporating all the you know the wellness things. Because what I realised when I put down the drink, I had a lot of underlying issues as to why I drank. Like drink was more the solution than the problem. Like drink was like covering up the anxiety or the fear or the you know the sense of like just wanting a sense of excitement, or you know a sense of numbness or an anaesthetic to reality, like you know. So, when I put down the drink, like the stimulation of being sober, all this new thing is being oh wow, this is great. But slowly, like it was learning how do we deal with the bills, the relationships, the normal life things without needing a drink or a substance, you know. And I think after a few months I just didn't put my wellbeing toolbox into place. It wasn't like hanging around with other sober people. I was still kind of hanging around with the lads I used to hang around with, like you know. So at first it was great, but then after a while it was kind of like felt like I was missing out, because I seen all them out drinking and I was kind of sitting there sober and it just didn't like. I was just like maybe the drink wasn't that bad, you know, and slowly that little you know salesman in my head was gone. Maybe, if maybe I'm off and now a couple of months I'll be able to have one or two and it won't be as bad, and you know. So I got that little period of sobriety and then I went back out drinking man, and it was just absolute hell. I was just like no, absolutely not, you know, and it was like that experiment I needed to do because if I had any reservations, that drink could still serve me or drink, wasn't that bad, you know that completely squashed it, going back out and just had to touch that stove head on and realize, look, there's absolutely nothing for me out there. There's nothing for me in alcohol. Like you know, my, my ticket has been stamped and it's just there's nothing for me there.
Speaker 2:And so the second time getting sober man, I had that the fear and the pain of of going back to that alternative, that I was just so desperate to do anything to stay sober, you know, and I started to talk and listen to other people on a sober journey and being like, well, like, what do you lads do to kind of stay sober? And essentially what they said like, like alcohol is is a form of escape. You know it's. It's essentially being an alcoholic. I'm like an escape artist and I find any form of escape. You know it's essentially being an alcoholic. I'm like an escape artist and I find any form of dopamine to escape. It could be drinking, it could be food, it could be, you know, it could be affecting lust, it can be money, it can be overtraining. You know anything I can find to fill that void. But it's about saying, why do you want to escape and coming back and having a look at what you're doing for wellness and we were talking about the sea dips and the ice baths and the saunas and the authentic conversations and I found that when I'd done more of this stuff, the need to escape just wasn't there anymore.
Speaker 2:And then the longevity and my sobriety. I started to enjoy sobriety. I wasn't enduring it, I was enjoying it and that, for me, was a big difference and I've seen the advantage. When you don't drink, man, anything is possible. I can go traveling all over the world without worrying about blacking out and losing my wallet or losing my passport or not getting out on the plane, or, you know, we can go, I can go anywhere. I can train for things. I can, you know, try new sports. I can do all this stuff. And I think and not being sober, is it sober? It's for me today, I believe it's like a superpower. You know you're like the, you're like an advanced human being, just not drinking. You haven't got like, you're not. You haven't got this quicksand holding you back in life 100% man.
Speaker 1:The thing was what I really started to work on and really started to understand as well too. And I really started to work on it and really started to understand it well too. And I wouldn't say that I was someone that was out every weekend and flat out drinking and anything like that. No, I mean younger years for sure, but in the last few years definitely not. But even still, it was still creeping on too too many patterns in terms of even drinking at home and having a few drinks, and maybe on a Thursday night, a Friday night, then all of a sudden it's a Saturday night, it's a Sunday night, then you're drinking more nights than you are staying sober and not drinking.
Speaker 1:And with every addiction, I think underlying there's a sub addiction all the time.
Speaker 1:So there's something that you're trying to move away from and the addiction is what you're moving towards.
Speaker 1:So once you resolve what it is that you're trying to move away from, the addiction starts to have less hold and power over you, because if you've got something emotional that you haven't balanced out, that you haven't like addressed or looked at, that you need to address and look at, then on you and that event is always going to run space time in your mind and until you look, is that event and clear that event out of your mind, see it for what it is, differently from what you expected it or what you experienced it at the time.
Speaker 1:Unless we do that a lot of the times, then we're going to keep repeating the same patterns over and over and over again. So once we address the sub-addictions, a lot of the times the addictions begin to fade. They don't have any power on us anymore, they don't hold us anymore and then you can begin to release and let go and and go about your normal kind of daily life. Does that mean that you're not going to have your challenges and it's not going to be ups and downs, etc? Of course not, but a lot of times when we address those things, then the hold that something has as a substance over us begins to dissipate and lose its power that's powerful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so true. And you, you were kind of saying in part of your story that drink never really served you. What do you think kept you in that habit before you kind of realised, look, I just need to let go of this. What, for you, justified drinking for all them years?
Speaker 1:Ultimately, if you were to really boil it down, we only do anything when we perceive a benefit in it and we won't do it if we don't perceive a benefit in it In some way or form. It was serving a purpose. In some way or form it was serving a benefit. It was giving me a benefit. So I think, culturally, of course, colm, we grew up in Ireland and everything alcohol is intertwined absolutely everything in terms of what we do and how we live and how we celebrate and how we travel and all of those things. It's a part of our, it's a part of our culture and society, so much, um, that we just normalize it and think that it's the norm, um, why I probably accepted that for and having it as part of my life for so long was probably a big part of that where it's just it's what you do, it's what everybody else does, it's it's how you relax, it's how you celebrate, it's how you commiserate, it's how you, it's how you love, basically a lot of the times, until you really take a step back and get away and realize, well, that's not how I want to live or it's not how I can actually live and I don't need to have that as part of my life, in order for me to celebrate, commiserate, travel, do all the different things that you can do just as well and it's not even better without alcohol. So I think it's breaking the cultural norm.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of times it's breaking the cultural norm. I think a lot of times it's breaking that identity, a lot of times that it has to be part of who you are, just because everybody else in your family done it, just because all your friends in your circle did it, and normalizing yourself to a life that you can love without it and you can travel without it, you can celebrate without it, you can love all the life and all the things that you want to do that you think alcohol has to be involved in without alcohol as well, and probably better and more enjoyable. It's going to be challenging, for sure. I have my challenges as well too. Christmas especially, there was a lot of flare-ups again where I was thinking, oh well, I have a drink and, as you said that we say, the man in the head sometimes kicks back then again and goes well, should maybe just try a different beer or maybe just drink a different wine or maybe just have it kind of flirting and that's it.
Speaker 1:Don't drink it again. But it's bullshit because once you go back that we pattern, what I found for myself column was anytime that I did give it up and went back on again. It was something that just started to consume my mind and that was kind of something all I thought about again and then I started to shift and change everything else that I was doing around the habits of alcohol and that wasn't getting me anywhere. So yeah, I knew you had yeah, I can.
Speaker 2:I can identify a lot with that. Yeah, I remember like one christmas, uh, my sister, she whipped out like they were drinking and they whipped out this like bottle of vegan wine and I talked to myself vegan wine, that couldn't do you any harm, so it's vegan. You know, and just how your head can be like again the salesman. You'd be like maybe if I drink after a yoga class or maybe if I have a pint in mass, you know, or if we can drink it out of a chalice instead of a pint glass, it probably won't do me any harm. And you're always trying to circumvent the consequences of it, you know, and it's mad. And I always think if I put that amount of effort into, like, growing a business, you know, or into my health at the time, would be like in a completely different place. You know all the different ways are if we drink a different brand, if we drink a different point, if we drink at home, if we stop drinking in the pub and, you know, just always trying to chop and change and not just say, right, maybe, maybe it's just a drink like, because if, if you had like a nut allergy, you wouldn't be like saying, oh, maybe if I just try cashew nuts or, you know, maybe if I just drink, you know, peanut butter or eat peanut butter, I'll be grand and you're just always like doing the same thing, expecting the, expecting different results. Like you know, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's gas like, but um, yeah, you know, and it is that man as well, the amount of mental clarity and the amount of mental time it takes up when you're drinking. You know, like even when I'll be drinking and I'll be thinking of, like, what lies can I tell because I'm have to let in, like my girlfriend down again, and what, what lie? Can I tell my boss because I'm not coming into work on Monday? Maybe I won't even come in on Tuesday, you know.
Speaker 2:And then I'm thinking like you know, how can I drink, how can I get away with it, and where are we going? What's going on? Is there going to be a pub? Is there going to be an off-license? You know it just consumed my every thought. It took me out of the present moment. Anywhere I was, I was always in my head thinking about.
Speaker 2:I was either thinking about drinking or thinking about how I'm off to drink now and just consumed, with it constantly on my mind, with it constantly on my mind, 24-7,. You know, and it's that mental freedom that I have today that I'm not thinking about drinking. I can walk down, I can walk down Lidl down to drink the alcohol oil and not be like Jesus kryptonite. You know I'm going to drink. You know, and just to have that I can go anywhere, an airport, and not be consumed by alcohol, you know, I can live in harmony with it today. Like you know, if I don't put it in my system, I'm perfectly okay. Like you know, and it's great freedom.
Speaker 2:And you said about the Christmases Like the Christmases come and go, the, you know, st Patrick's Days will come and go, the birthdays, the weddings, the Tuesdays, they'll all come and go. And I always try and think right, how will I feel tomorrow if we don't drink? You know, and I heard someone say you know, drinking today is borrowing tomorrow's happiness. You know, and I know that if I drink, I'll wake up tomorrow with nothing but regret. You know, I've never woken up in my life and said I'm so happy.
Speaker 2:I drank last night. That was amazing. But nearly every time I drank I woke up going why did I drink last night? That was awful. That was such a bad buzz, you know, and it's that thing. You just just play that type forward and and it's. It's like, and regardless of what's going on in life, if the bills are coming in, if you're stressed out with traffic jams, relationships, whatever it is, you know, this too shall pass like taking a drink isn't going to solve anything it's going to make it worse because your ability to make it easier at the time short term, but then the anxiety and the mental confusion and everything else that comes from it just kind of compounds what it is that you're trying to resolve and makes it worse.
Speaker 1:Um, and I think a big part column with for me anyway, with alcohol is what I really started to shift and change around this time was I really started to shift and change my perspective on like alcohol overall and really started to look at what do I get to gain? Because most people think that they're losing when they have to give up alcohol. I can't drink at a wedding, I can't. I'm not able to go on holidays and have a drink. I'm not able to do this. I'm not able to do that. Holidays and have a drink, I'm not able to do this. I'm not able to do that.
Speaker 1:And I began to really shift my perspective and ask myself well, what do I get to gain by not drinking alcohol? Well, I get peace of mind better. I'm not saying you have a monk mind and there's no problems, but I mean the peace of mind that you get from not drinking alcohol is completely different. That low-level anxiety begins to go, I improve my sleep, I improve my health, I improve my communication, my relationships, I improve my confidence because now I'm starting to get myself aligned again with what I really want to do and starting to look at things differently, plan things differently. It affects my business in terms of how I show up. So my business improves because now I am like feeling better, performing better, showing up better. The energy that I have is going to be completely different. I started to look at all the things that I got to gain. I started to save more money. I wasn't like wasting money etc. I wasn't wasting days and not doing things that I said I was going to do, started to plan more events. I got myself back on purpose again and I think that's really, really important for anybody that's looking to like kick alcohol, look at your life and see what you're doing. That doesn't really align with who you're supposed to be or who you really want to be and how you really want to show up in the world.
Speaker 1:Because if we're constantly subordinating ourselves to outer authority or minimizing ourselves, thinking that we need to be somebody else, then a lot of the times alcohol is an escapism from doing something that we don't really want to do, because we're not actually fulfilling what we're supposed to fulfill.
Speaker 1:And if we get ourselves really aligned with what's most important to us in our life and actually live in our hierarchy of values and have a goal that's big enough to pull us forward towards something that's bigger than just doing the alcohol every single weekend, every single day, then you'll start to move towards that and then alcohol as an escapism no longer needs to be there because you're pulled forward towards something bigger.
Speaker 1:You're pulled forward towards something bigger. You're pulled forward toward a vision that is giving you inspiration and energy and motivation and you want to do that more. You want to fulfill that more, and anything that takes you away from that is something that you don't want to do. So I think a lot of the times when we're looking to kick a habit of anything, it's really starting to get yourself aligned with a future vision for yourself, get yourself aligned with what it is you really want to fulfill, who you really want to be, and get yourself aligned with what's most important to you in your life and start to step in that version of yourself and really love that version of yourself, and a lot of those things then don't really seem to have the same power over you because you're tied into something completely different and you're looking to move towards it yeah, that's powerful.
Speaker 2:It is like it's so true, like when we actually look at what are we getting out from alcohol. You know, and I think we've grown up with this belief or this conditioning that it's serving us. And you know, only to put it down and you realize, hold on, this was actually holding me back a lot. You know, it made like I had this belief that it was giving me confidence, it was giving me opportunities, it was making me feel better and you know, only for you to take it away and realize it was actually like detrimental to me. You know, and it wasn't serving me at all. And you know, as you said, it was like holding me back. Know what I found? Alcohol was just filling a lot of gaps, a lot of voids. It was numbing. It was numbing a lot of feelings within me, rather than me just dealing with what was going on. And when you, like put down the drink, it's like you can actually see life for what it is. You know, when you overcome that belief that, like drink is serving me, it's an attribute, it's, you know, know it's adding to my life and the only to take it away, and you realize. Well, you know what I mean. Like? No, not at all. Like you know, it's just this, it's just learned behavior. You know it's like this, not a natural conditioning, that you know.
Speaker 2:My brain has become so accustomed to the high and the comfort of that drink that I think I can't live without it. I want that dopamine hit at the weekend. It's my, my stress reliever, it's my comfort, you know. And only to know that it's actually adding to stress is the reason that I need all that comfort is because alcohol is actually a depressant and when I put it into my system you know it's making me. It gives me a quick high, but then I get a really, really low, low and then it's like that cycle of oh, I can't wait till next weekend and I'll drink again and I'll get another high, but then you're getting this double low and it's just having that negative impact on you.
Speaker 2:And you know, my friend got a whoop recently, you know, and he's not a big drinker, but he was telling me he was off to drink for a few weeks and when he slept that night his whoop was like scoring like 90% from recovery, so he was in this competition. And then one weekend he went out for like he had three or four glasses of wine with his partner and he checked his watch and he said for the next two days he was scoring like 40% sleep and recovery. You know, and he just said the impact that had like even after one day of drinking, like three or four days after, just the negative ripple effect that had on his life.
Speaker 1:One glass of red wine affects your REM sleep by 40%.
Speaker 2:It's insane, isn't it?
Speaker 1:It affects your REM sleep by 40%. One glass of red wine most people are going out and drinking maybe five, six pints or more. Um, so there's a great book by matthew walker, why we sleep, and it talks about the effect that alcohol has in the brain and when you drink you don't actually sleep. It's and I remember andrew huberman talking about that. He said it's like seeing somebody get knocked unconscious with a bat. And they're laying knocked unconscious, would you say they're having a great sleep. No, you know that they're unconscious and that's what alcohol basically does the brain. It's not that you're sleeping and the brain's getting to do all normal functions and the body's getting to do all its normal functions. It's not getting to do that properly. So alcohol is a sedative, it'll'll put you to sleep, but it doesn't mean that it's going to actually increase and help you actually sleep properly. So, yeah, one glass of red wine will affect your REM sleep by 40% and your REM sleep, in terms of your emotional mind and your behavior and your emotions on a day-to-day basis, is so important and we all know that when we wake up we hang over.
Speaker 1:What do we do? We feel like shit. Our energy is low. What are we doing? We're reaching for more and more sugar and more and more caffeine, or, if it's a weekend, we might be reaching for another drink to try and bring us back around to normal again. We're not thinking clearly, we're not being objective, we're not even that part of the brain that helps us do that. So we're literally living on impulse and instinct. We're just like, we're not being this version of ourselves.
Speaker 1:And here's the thing. I'm not having a go at anybody that chooses to have a drink. My wife still enjoys a glass of wine. Family still enjoy a few drinks. I've got friends that love a drink. If people enjoy it and they can handle it and they're responsible with it and they're okay with it, brilliant, crack on 100%. I'm not judging anybody for it at all, but what I'm saying is, if you do want to actually stop it, if you want to make a change from it, allow yourself a wee bit of a chance. Give yourself a chance. Give yourself 60 days or 90 days. See what that actually feels like and then make a decision for yourself, right?
Speaker 1:Well, you know what I feel, what this is like and I'm okay with this. I'd rather do this. Or you know what I'm actually okay with having a couple of drinks at the weekend and I feel that I can handle it okay. It's not affecting my life in too many ways and there's a lot of people that are like that. There's a lot of people can have a couple of drinks and they're fine with it. It doesn't impact them in that way. But I just find that for me, I wasn't that person. There were too many things that I didn't like in terms of how it made me feel. So that's why and again, not saying that I'm going to be sober for life, because I've done that before and I ended up back on it but at the minute I'm really enjoying this journey. I'm feeling the massive shift in the business from it and I want to keep doing that.
Speaker 2:I love that. Yeah, it's so true and it's. It's as simple as that. As you said, like, give yourself 90 days and see how you feel after it. You know, and if like, like and I, what I noticed when we like two things that, how I knew, drink didn't add to my life.
Speaker 2:Number one when I drank, my life just got worse. My life just got so unmanageable I just found life a lot more difficult. And then, when I stopped drinking, my life just seemed to get a lot better. It just seemed to start functioning a lot better.
Speaker 2:It was obviously I was introducing something to my system that I was allergic to in some sense or another and like I couldn't moderate it. I could, I could. If we took drink, I couldn't leave it. Some people say, just you can take or leave. I could not take or leave it. If we drank, I was drinking to oblivion, like I was drinking. I was a binge drinker and that's just how it rolled and I could stay off for weeks, I could stay off for months, but as soon as they had one drink, I was like, just drinking to absolute oblivion.
Speaker 2:You know, and it's funny, you, you mentioned that, uh, andrew hubeman, you know, and he says, like he said one of the things he says in his podcast like alcohol is the only drug that we have to explain why we're not using. And I also want to fascinate, just as a society, how we justify alcoholism. Like it's nearly like, if you like, don't drink, just you're worse off than the guy that's a fall down drunk. You know, and I remember hearing this, uh, this irish joke. You know, this priest goes to a funeral and, uh, he notices the guy in the coffin is quite young, he's only in his 40s. And he asked his wife um, you know, how did your husband pass away? He looked so young and and she says I was a chronic alcoholic. You know, he couldn't stop drinking. He got cirrhosis of the liver and he died from the drink and he was like, oh my god, he said, did he ever try going to aa? And she said no, he wasn't that bad, you know, and it's like, it's that thing of that we're mortified to hold our hands up and say we have a problem or, you know, we'd rather be the fall down drunk. And I just find it funny, just.
Speaker 2:But again, back to like as a society, if something is having such an adverse effect on us and if you go out when you, you go out on a Saturday night in Derry, or if I go out on a Saturday night in Belfast or in Dublin, I'd see the, the madness of alcoholism in people, like you know, and it's like how can we as a society justify that if it's so like if it's bad for us in general, like it doesn't serve any purpose at all, and but yeah, as a society we we can justify. And you look that, look at cigarettes 30, 40 years ago that everyone could justify smoking, it was fine, it was cool, you know. Whereas now it's like if someone smokes, it's like why are you smoking? What's wrong with you? And it's like I think that's where we're at with alcohol now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think you can see that shift, colm. Definitely you can see the shift of it now being, I suppose, normalized and more acceptable to go out and have a couple of zero zeros and take the car and not drink. I definitely think it's a lot more acceptable and it's a lot more normalized and there definitely is a shift happening from people that are sharing messages your podcast, the likes of Andrew Huberman and stuff where he's talking about the in depth detail and the science behind it, and stuff where he's talking about the in-depth detail and the science behind it and the destruction that alcohol has on your health in terms of it being a poison and ethanol, et cetera. Like, from that perspective he talks about there is no benefits in terms of health, zero benefits to alcohol, even though people thought, oh well, you get the resveratrol and all from red wine and blah, blah, blah. That's been proven to be bullshit. So in terms of, like, health benefits, they're saying that the studies and everything else shows and I think there's more common sense than anything that there's zero benefit to it.
Speaker 1:That's not to say that it can't be done responsibly. I'm not saying that at all. But if you look at it from a health perspective. There's very little benefit to it. So I think that there is a shift happening because people are becoming more aware and they're listening to different podcasts and picking up on different things and they're starting to say well, you know what, maybe I'll just go out and have a couple of zero zeros. Ten years ago you wouldn't have had as many different types of no alcohol drinks and beers that you can have Now. You can go now and get a pint of 00 Guinness, a pint of 00 Heineken or whatever it might be, and people are okay to go out and do that when. I think five years ago, 10 years ago, you might have got absolutely ridiculed and slagged and your mates would have given you a really hard time about it. But it definitely is beginning to shift and change.
Speaker 2:I feel culturally here about it, but it definitely is beginning to shift and change, I feel, culturally, um, here I can say for sure, no, yeah, it is 100.
Speaker 2:And like, like, yeah, like you see everywhere you go, now you've access to non-alcoholic stuff and you know like you can drink, like, drink the non-alcoholic and not have the like, the fear of the peer pressure which is what would people think if I'm not drinking, and things like that. And yeah, no, it is. It is good to see that the society is starting to kind of say look, it's, it's okay not to drink, you know, it's just so many more options out there and I know a lot of people that have, uh, you've given up the drink. They always had that fear of what, what would people think that they're not drinking. And I think the fact that they have the non-alcoholic drink in the like, now that they haven't got to worry about, I can go to this wedding or you can go to this stag and I don't have to explain myself why I'm, you know, I want sparkling water or a cup of tea and I can just drink the non-alcoholic stuff, which it's great to have that option there 100 if%.
Speaker 1:If you were to say then, Colin, from yourself, how long are you sober now and you haven't touched a drink?
Speaker 2:I was 11 years last week. 11 years, sober 11 years now.
Speaker 1:Amazing, brilliant. What would you say in those 11 years then, if you were to give people that's listening in the biggest thing that helped you actually get sober and stay sober? Um, what would that? What would that bit of knowledge be for somebody that's looking to create that same journey, and what's been the biggest benefit overall for you in those in that time?
Speaker 2:Um, for me the number one thing was community was changing the, the, the people I was hanging around with, changing the people I was hanging around with, changing the hobbies I was in, changing my circle. You know, because you see, the thing is, when you're in the swamp, that's the only life you know, because you're in the swamp with all the swamp people and you can justify it and say this is all there is to life and you're kind of looking out, going maybe there's more to life. But then you're looking around at everyone else and you're like, well, everyone else is here, so why not just stay here? You know, like Shrek in the swamp. But as soon as you take that leap, you know, and leave the swamp and get into this whole different way of living, like if it's getting into the sea, if it's getting into running, hiking, martial arts, whatever the thing is, and you meet a whole different, new community that will justify your new life. You know that will kind of empower you and bring you on a higher vibration. And that's what happened with me, that when I left in my personal, in my personal recovery, you know, I joined, like I joined AA and different sober communities and I met other sober people through that way. But as time went on, then I joined AA and different sober communities and I met other sober people through that way. But as time went on, then I joined hiking clubs and running clubs and jujitsu and met all these other people as well, because my thing was, the fear of not drinking was like I'll never have a social life again.
Speaker 2:I was quite young when I stopped drinking and I thought, well, what am I going to do now for fun? What am I going to do for excitement? What am I going to do for excitement? What am I going to do for the trail? Because I thought all these things were intertwined with drinking. And then, when I gave it up, I realised, well, my life is so much better without it. I started to find myself. I wasn't hiding behind masks, I wasn't hiding behind personas. I just had to be myself and hang around with people that I felt comfortable being myself around. And I got into all these different sports and hobbies that I didn't believe myself to be able to be good at, you know.
Speaker 2:And then, when I put down the drink that that you know, the you said what was one of the biggest benefits is that I'm free today I haven't got this fear of failure, or fear of what if it doesn't work out, or fear of, you know, or self-doubt. I can go and try the sports, I can go and travel, I can do what I can do, I can go and compete in different things and I haven't got this fear. I think the number one thing I have today because I'm not drinking, is peace of mind. You know I wake up in the morning and drinking is peace of mind. You know I wake up in the morning. I have peace of mind. You know I'm not waking up in the morning and my head is going 90 miles an hour like a washing machine, you know.
Speaker 2:And it doesn't matter about the materialism, it doesn't matter about, you know, the money in the bank account, the car in the driveway, how big your house is. You know what I mean and I like who I am today, you know. So if I had to put down the greatest benefit of not drinking, it's peace of mind, being able to hit the pillow at night and fall asleep and wake up in the morning and get out of bed. For you, what do you feel? For you you're 18 months now Like what do you feel has been the greatest benefit?
Speaker 1:I would say something similar to yourself, colin Peace of mind. I suppose peace of mind it comes differently Like. It doesn't mean that I don't have challenges. It doesn't mean that at times I'm not stressed. It doesn't mean that at times business doesn't create the issues and the problems and the things that it naturally does anyway it does. But there's a certain level of peace of mind that you have when you're able to address all of those things from a different perspective Because they don't seem as large or as harder to handle that they would if I was having a drink, because alcohol always created like a low level anxiety for me, and it was only after 60 or 90 days that I wasn't drinking that I realized when I was waking up in the morning.
Speaker 1:I didn't have that low level of anxiety that I probably wasn't even conscious of when I was having a drink every other weekend or every weekend.
Speaker 1:So my ability to be able to look at things and handle things and look at my business and handle the stresses and the things that comes along with that, my ability to be able to deal with those things, is far, far better, far, far easier, because I'm more settled than how I'm thinking, how I'm feeling, I can see things clearly, I'm not getting as triggered or I'm not getting as emotional about wee small things that a lot of the times used to bother me when I was having a drink. So definitely a lot more contentment, um, a lot more imbalance and more forward thinking. Like forward thinking in terms of what I'm planning, what I want to do, like a sense of optimism and having that ambition and, um, like being able to map out things that I really want to go and create, where I think a lot of the same, and you know that when you drink an alcohol, it just brings your energy down and your ability to even think about things that you want to go and achieve. For me, it just lowered that. So peace of mind, consentment, a lot more balanced um in terms of my energy, my health, weight, everything. There's a lot of different benefits, but I would definitely come back to the mental space just having a clearer mind and being a bit more balanced in terms of how I'm thinking, how I'm feeling and how I'm showing up.
Speaker 2:I love that. I absolutely love that, seamus, and for you, what sort of things did you do to stay sober like? What are the things you do on a daily basis to enjoy sobriety?
Speaker 1:um, a lot of the things this is a thing a lot of the things I was already doing. So it was always training. I was always doing those things, I was always looking after myself, I was always running the business, it was always coaching people, um, so those things were always part of it. But what I did do was I started to make a couple of shifts again, just in terms of not going to certain places, not going to certain events, pulling back from certain things, um, not surrounding myself with certain people at certain times, et cetera. So there was definitely some shifts that I needed to make there. But I think what I? I went and I went and spoke to people at the start, I went and sought a bit of help at the start, but then I think after about a month I went. You know what I feel like I've got this. I feel like I'm good and I feel like I'm okay with this.
Speaker 1:Now, what I will share as well too just before I had given up alcohol, I had done a plant medicine journey, I had done a white tumor event, probably about four or six weeks before, and one of my intentions actually when I went down to that was to let go of the need for alcohol, and it was probably about four or six weeks after that when I just stopped as well too. So I'd say that that had definitely played a part in it. Also, for sure, because at that weekend I was able to go onward and, I think, release a lot of stuff, get rid of a lot of emotions, get rid of a lot of old baggage and get a different perspective on things. Not saying that people need to do that, you could do that yourself. You can do that, not a plant medicine journey, but you can do that yourself by just deep, diving a wee bit more into your mind and ask yourself certain questions. But, um, for me it was definitely, I think, a turning point and helping me just move on and and do this basically on my own, um, without any other question or any other help from anybody else.
Speaker 1:So for people that are less than I suppose to be able to do that, definitely look at your environment. The environment, your environment, is crucial. As james clear says, his environment is invisible hand that shapes human behavior, and it's so true. So if you're in the wrong environment, like, make those shifts, get yourself out of that environment, get yourself in and around the people who are doing the things that you want to do, basically, and then seek support, speak to somebody who's been on a journey, somebody who's been where you actually really want to go and ask for their advice and have a touch point every week or every month, whatever it might be, read books, do the things that you need to do in order to shift and change your perspective and get the accountability that you need a lot of the same as well to the start.
Speaker 1:So I suppose everybody's journey is completely different, colin, but I think the things that really work is having somebody to speak to, creating a different community, getting yourself out of an environment that's destructive, and having that accountability partner along the way until you feel that you're at a place within yourself that you feel fine and create new habits. Like every time we want to get rid of an. Create new habits like every time that we want to get rid of an old habit. It's crucial that we create a new habit, that we're going towards something else that gives us the same feeling a lot of the times that we were getting from alcohol anyway I love that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that james clear quote as well. Atomic habits um, yeah, you know, when I got sober, you know the the plant medicine wasn't really that big when I was getting sober, you know. But it's powerful there that it is there for an option if anyone wants to go down that route. You know. And you know, as you said, kind of do that bit of inner work and see what it is that's stalling a lot of people from taking that, being able to let go of alcohol, or what is the inner trauma that's keeping us bounded to alcoholism. And you know, for me it was hitting that rock bottom man over and, over and over again. And you know I was quite lucky that my dad was sober as well. You know he introduced me to a sober community and you know I learned a lot.
Speaker 2:You know I got a lot of wisdom and advice from men that were many, many years sober. You know how to deal with life, how to operate in society without needing to take a drink. You know being able to listen to what's going on in my head and you know that one is hungry, angry, lonely, tired, halt. Watch out for all the triggers. You know if you're hungry, if you're angry, if you're lonely, if you're tired, all these things, can you know, set you off, trigger you and eventually lead to a drink. And also it's supposed to happen to talk therapy of them, like the AA meetings where you're going and you're talking about what's going on in your life and you're hearing other people talking and you know you might be off the drink for a few months or a few years and you have this little inclination. Then you meet someone that's only like a day sober and they tell you their story and you're like it just reminds you of how bad it was and you're getting this constant reminder of, well, I don't want to go back out there. You know, like hearing this other person that's just literally gotten sober and how bad it was for them, and it just reminds you as well that there's nothing out there, because sometimes you know you can get that roast into glasses.
Speaker 2:You know, when you're away from it for a long time, you're kind of like, was it that bad? You know, or you know it's not that I'm a slow learner, I'm a quick forgetter. So with that like going to the, going to the meetings and things like that, it kind of keeps it, keeps it, keeps me in a healthy place. You know, mentally, emotionally and and spiritually, like you know, and uh, that as well I'm looking after my health man, like sleeping well, eating well, getting the seed, do the saunas, do do the weights, you know all these sort of things. You know, uh, it makes it makes life a lot easier. I don't have that pebble in my shoe. I'm not kind of of just enjoying life. I'm really enjoying it, like you know, and I think healing is, it's in every. It's a slow burner.
Speaker 2:You know, when you get sober, you know you're left with all these emotions that you've been kind of suppressing and you know like it's not going to be.
Speaker 2:Like I put down the drink and now life is wonderful and everything's amazing, like you're still going to have your challenges. But it's an absolute gift that you can deal with that stuff without needing to escape into a drink or a drug. You know and I usually think the brave people where the lads get into fights at two o'clock in the morning outside the pub, but People like you and the people that I know that are going through life without needing to drink a drug and navigating the challenges of life without needing to drink and if anything that makes you stronger, that grows that resilience in your mind, because instead of just putting a plaster over the problems, you're sitting with it, you're feeling it, you're enjoying it and it's healing and it's making you stronger to deal with anything in life as life comes forward 100%, and it's not to say that, as I said, it's not to say that life then doesn't have its challenges.
Speaker 1:That's a delusion, but your ability to be able to deal with those challenges is going to be a whole lot different and a whole lot better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a million percent, and like like for you now getting sober, like what? Well, like, where do you see yourself like, got like with, with the sobriety now? Do you have you seen like your, your, your business, growing your relationships getting better, you know, and where do you think that's going to lead you to?
Speaker 1:yeah, 100%. It's had a massive impact on everything that I'm doing. It's had a massive impact on everything that I want to do. Like, I've seen so many different synchronicities, um, and one of the stories was last year we I was down doing a talk at um. I was down doing a talk for a company in dublin um, it used to be called horizon. It's been bought over now, but I was doing a talk for for this company in dublin and we got this. This is crazy. You've probably seen it on social media.
Speaker 1:We got invited that night to go to snip dog with conor mcgregor, his mom, all the the people out of black forge, and so this is how this happened. And this is a funny story because one of the guys, a friend, actually said to me he says of all times that you're off the drink, you're out with Conor McGregor, vip with Snoop Dogg. I says I could see if I had been on the drink, I wouldn't have been at that event, I probably wouldn't have been asked to do that talk in Dublin and definitely wouldn't have had that connection. So there's a lot of synergistic things that happen when you create different energy for yourself. So we did I did a talk at Horizon in Dublin. Me and my wife went to the Black Forge Inn.
Speaker 1:Just before we were leaving the Black Forge Inn we got speaking to Conor's mum and that we got a couple of photos and stuff and we were leaving and as we were leaving, the guy that runs the front of the house, liam. He said I've got two tickets to go to VIP Snoop Dogg with Connor and his mum and all the Black Forge and crew. Do you want them? And we kind of looked and went us and he said yeah, and I said are you taking the hand? He says no, I'm being deadly serious.
Speaker 1:So we says of course, we hopped on the bus. Um, and there we are, like literally about an hour later, I'm sitting on the bus with conor mcgregor's mom, conor mcgregor, all the black forging crew, people that I've never met before my life, heading to watch snoop dogg vip, taking on the back up in the private area watching snoop dogg, uh, along with conor mcgregor, his mom and all the black forging, back to the Black Forge Inn for a sesh, everybody's having a drink. I never touched a drop, never went near it, wasn't tempted, didn't want the drink, and I enjoyed the experience and I got up the next morning went into the talk at Horizon and just took it all in and I was like how crazy was that? How crazy was that? How crazy was that they just go to the Blackboard Jam and they end up going to a VIP concert with Snoop Dogg private label, conor McGregor and all his crew.
Speaker 2:Crazy.
Speaker 1:That's tough, yeah, so stuff like that, as that friend of mine said. He said of all times that you're not drinking, you get to go and do that, I said, but if I had been drinking, that probably wouldn't have happened because I wouldn't have been doing the things that I needed to do in order for me to even attract the talk and the event to go to Dublin and actually speak at that event probably wouldn't have been in the Black Forge. You know what I mean. So I think when you shift and change your energy, your vibration, you begin to attract different people, different events, different things in their life. That can be so much more powerful for you than sitting in a house every weekend and getting drunk, let's say.
Speaker 2:That's powerful. And as well the other thing, like when you're not drinking you're able to be more. You embrace that whole experience so much more. Like that whole atmosphere of being in the concert, being able to have these conversations with people on the bus like me Conor McGregor, you know and like wake up the next day and remember it all and not be like what happened. You know, I remember spending hundreds. I remember I think I was 17 or 18 I spent like a couple of hundred euros to go see man United playing the Champions League. And I remember getting on the plane I blacked out for two days and on the way home from the match I just remember being like what score was the match? I couldn't remember. I stalled this morning to go see a football game and I couldn't remember any of it because it was just in a blackout, whereas, like you do this stuff sober man, you embrace it all. You're present, you're there, you enjoy it. You know and it's not.
Speaker 2:And you know, as you said, when you're sober it's nearly like you get more opportunities. You know you're putting the work in, you're getting the talks, you know you're meeting people. People see this energy off you. They don't see this fear and anxiety off you. You know they see this glow and this whiteness in your eye and they're like I like the energy coming off this. I want to be around this person, this person, you know he's approachable, he's attractive. You know he's a good energy, he's a good vibe and you know, when you get that like people, you become trustworthy. You know people want you around, people want to listen to what you have to say. We want to listen to what you have to say. You know and it is man like the energy starts to flow off us when it gets over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a hundred percent, and it opens you up to different opportunities and you're starting to connect different opportunities, different people. Your energy is just completely different. So, yeah, that that event for me was something that kind of signified that like do you know what I mean? It was that like you know what I mean. It was like because I was here's a true story. This is crazy because after that um night where we were with the dog and vip, uh, one of my clients sent me a text. He says how crazy is that? They said do you remember the conversation we had about six months ago? I says I, because I had the conversation with my wife Six months, about six months previous.
Speaker 1:I had this dream that I was out partying with Conor McGregor and all his mates and we were out at this nightclub and blah, blah, blah. And I come in. I say to Gary. I says she's had a weird dream last night. I grant that I was partying with Conor McGregor. Six months later, what am I doing? I'm heading to the VIP concert with Snoop Dogg and Conor McGregor and everything else. How that plays in, I don't really know. But the big thing to take home from this was I was able to go and do all that and enjoy that evening sober, as a judge, didn't touch a drink. And then I got up to fulfill what I actually came to Dublin to do the next day, which was to do a talk and a presentation. So you can do all those things and enjoy all those things just as much, if not better, without eating a drop of alcohol.
Speaker 2:That is powerful, 100%. Well, man, yeah, like and that's what I love, man, having these conversations, because it just nails down that we're on the right journey. You know we're on the right path in life, you know, and, yeah, it's amazing when you realise that and I didn't know, like, for years I thought it was because of the relationships I was in, because of the job I was in, because of the, you know, because of the childhood that I had, like, why do I feel like this all the time? Why do I always feel awful, you know, and not even putting down the drink, but also like meeting other people who had a similar mind as me and a similar mindset, and you realise you're not on this mission on your own, you're not on this journey on your own, and when you hear other people who are on a similar path, man, it just inspires you, it just makes you happy to know, yeah, I'm on the right route, I'm doing the right stuff. And it's just a privilege, man, really an absolute privilege, to be walking this sober journey with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, likewise of privilege, man, really absolute privilege to be walking the sober journey with you. Yeah, likewise, man really enjoyed this conversation and, for people that are listening in, I think that it's powerful to be able to listen to information like this that can really start to help you shift and change your perspective and get a different outlook on what you're going through, what you're struggling with and what it might look like on the other side if you do begin to ditch alcohol and give your life a chance without it. Yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 2:Okay, before we finish up, I'm just going to ask you some quick fire questions, is that okay, james?
Speaker 1:Go for it.
Speaker 2:What's the best advice you've ever gotten?
Speaker 1:What's the best advice I've ever got? Jeez, I've had so much advice. I've had a coach probably every step of my journey in the last 20 years of being a coach and owner of a business, I've had that loads of advice. I wouldn't say advice, but I'll answer it with a quote, and it's something that I'll answer it with a quote and it's something that I've taken from my mentor.
Speaker 1:Dr John Demartini says everybody wants to be loved for who they are, but most people are afraid to be who they are. And I think that if we really understand who we are and how we can actually show up in the world and the love ourselves for all of who we are which is the good, the bad, the positive, the negative, the ups and the downs, the judgments that we have of ourselves and others If we really learn to do that, instead of judging ourselves and giving ourselves a hard time, we can be ourselves properly. So everybody wants to be loved for who they are, but most people are afraid to be who they are. So be yourself. I think Learn who you really are is probably the best advice that I've taken from a cult.
Speaker 2:I love that. What's the worst advice you've ever gotten? You do the opposite, the opposite. What's your, what's your number one book recommendation?
Speaker 1:oh, I've read so many different books. The breakthrough experience by Dr John Demartini oh man, I've read so many different books. The Breakthrough Experience by Dr John Demartini is a fantastic book, in terms of shifting behavior and habits as well, too. Atomic Habits is a classic Depends the type of book. What I really do love is Marcus Aurelius' Meditations, which is fantastic as well. Thinking Grow Rich is another timeless classic if you're interested in business and shifting and changing perspectives and things.
Speaker 2:The Four Agreements is a really, really good book. I love the Four.
Speaker 1:Agreements, which is great. There's so many different books, man, to be honest.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's probably top of mind. Yeah, you said some belters there. What's something that you still struggle with today?
Speaker 1:That I still struggle with today Mm-hmm At times. Learning to be present more Okay, like not looking so far ahead in terms of what I want to do and what I want to achieve and the things that I want to move towards and create my life, um and realizing that if I take a step back and see the difference in the journey over the last five years, 10 years, 15 years, I probably wouldn't have imagined the things that I've done and achieved 15 years ago. So I think the big thing is sometimes to just be present more and to learn to be present more and to have a sense of gratitude for who I am, what I am and what I've got in my life right now, while looking to move forward and create what I want to create.
Speaker 2:That's beautiful, beautiful, absolutely beautiful. Seamus, it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you, man. You're an absolute gent, a scholar and just a legend man, so thank you so much for this chat today likewise, colm.
Speaker 1:I really, really enjoyed it. Appreciate you for inviting me on, and hopefully people have got some knowledge bombs that they can take away from this chat and implement into their own life.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I definitely got so much out of this man Of 100% and you might be wanting to go for another C-dip now, man, just to help take it all in. But if anyone wants to check out Seamus, you can do so on Instagram Seamus Fox, underscore 81. And he also has his link tree tree up there which I'm going to add on to the bio of this podcast. And, seamus, thanks so much for coming on, my friend.
Speaker 1:Fantastic, Colin, a wee shameless plug here. I've got an event coming up this year called Momentum, which is going to be at the Everton Hotel in Derry. It's on the 28th of September. If you're interested in shifting your perspective, changing your mindset, networking with like minds and getting around good people to help you grow and succeed in any area of your life, then grab your Shuffle Ticket. They're not actually released yet, but they'll be released soon on my social media pages.
Speaker 2:Awesome, awesome. I'll put all the links to your bio and everything else in the podcast so everyone knows where to find you. This beautiful, this gem, this absolute gem, thank you.